User talk:Andy Dingley

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Commons:Deletion requests/File:Saiyan.jpg

Might be interested in this since you voted in the DR about Xinnie the Pooh Trade (talk) 02:10, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Category:Scaffolding,_centring_&_shoring

Scaffolding, centring & shoring has been listed at Commons:Categories for discussion so that the community can discuss ways in which it should be changed. We would appreciate it if you could go to voice your opinion about this at its entry. If you created this category, please note that the fact that it has been proposed for discussion does not necessarily mean that we do not value your kind contribution. It simply means that one person believes that there is some specific problem with it. If the category is up for deletion because it has been superseded, consider the notion that although the category may be deleted, your hard work (which we all greatly appreciate) lives on in the new category. In all cases, please do not take the category discussion personally. It is never intended as such. Thank you!

JopkeB (talk) 12:23, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Over de template ANEFO photographer location|Loek Tangel|Tangel, Loek|Beek|Limburg|197|1|....

Beste Andy, Ik zag dat je Category:Photographs by Loek Tangel in Beek (1971) had veranderd. De oorzaak van de problemen ligt in de template. Zou jij het voor elkaar kunnen krijgen om Category:1971 in Limburg leeg te krijgen? Ik probeerde deze categorieën te verplaatsen naar Category:1971 in Limburg (Netherlands), maar dat lukte niet vanwege de template (templates zijn geweldige tools, behalve als ze je tegenwerken, zoals hier). Heb jij misschien meer verstand van templates dan ik?
(Ik dacht dat ik ergens had gezien dat je Nederlands spreekt, dus ik waag het er maar op. Antwoord anders in het Engels.) JopkeB (talk) 12:38, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Translation (in the hope that I can get an answer too): I saw that you had changed Category:Photographs by Loek Tangel in Beek (1971). The cause of the problems lies in the template. Could you manage to clear Category:1971 in Limburg? I tried to move these categories to Category:1971 in Limburg (Netherlands), but that didn't work because of the template (templates are great tools, except when they work against you, like here). Do you perhaps know more about templates than I do? --JopkeB (talk) 12:23, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Cfr. voorgaande opmerking, kan je een manier vinden om er voor te zorgen dat Category:Photographs by Gerard Dukker in Aalst (1973) NIET onder "Aalst by year" categoriseert, want dat is de verkeerde locatie (België) Henxter (talk) 11:01, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah, the two Aalsts problem. Then it can't go into Category:1973 in Aalst, North Brabant or Category:Aalst, North Brabant by year because they don't exist. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:16, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

So, what might be the solution? Create these red categories? Adjust the template/create a template for this place? Or remove the template and add categories by hand? JopkeB (talk) 12:26, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

The template used to work fine for this ("Aalst, North Brabant" is already supplied as the right parameter for Commons) – some of the recent changes must have broken it. But it can't create categories from nowhere. Also it has always, deliberately, if there wasn't a "by year" already it favoured redlinking to a category for the year as an encouragement to create it. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:34, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Archiving & documenting national political history in the Netherlands

Hi Andy Dingley, thanks for all your work here. In the light of this edit of 18 may 2023 (part of a series of 73) I would like to share some thoughts about what I have been doing in the past year on the historical categorization of political images under Category:Tweede Kamer by year. I will first give some facts and my interpretation of your effort, then explain what, why and how I have continued, and finally raise a question for feed back.

First some facts:

• The national political history in the Netherlands circles around the Tweede Kamer and the Eerste Kamer
• At the moment on Commons there are about 10.000 image on the Tweede Kamer and 1.000 images on the Eerste Kamer, see for example this search for "Tweede Kamer", which gives 10.268 results

Second your effort and my interpretation :

• Around 4 nov 2019 you started categorizing (see for example here) images on the Tweede Kamer by "photographer by year" ; "year in the Tweede Kamer"
• This first round of categorization created categories from 1958 to 1989, with 33 categories, 85 subcategories and about 2477 images categorized (my count 07.10.2023)
• Now, I presume your intention has been to create an exact category-tree and to categorize every image in the exact one category.
• This is how you started in 2019 and continued 18 May 2023

Next my efforts since early this year:

• After the start of a discussion about one politician early this year I tried to find more images on Commons. This took me first a few hours to find one and latter even days to find so more.
• What I had experienced was, that with that current categorization structure and the search engine one or more images of individual politicians where very hard to find.
• I traced back the reasons for this to three facts: most individual politicians on those 10.000+ have not been identified yet, the existing picture were spread over to many categories, and lots of pictures were not yet categorized.
• About his last thing: I only realized two weeks ago, that indeed 2477 of the 10.000+ on the Tweede Kamer where in categories early this year, so about 25%
• In feb-march 2023 I started expending the Category:Tweede Kamer by year from 33 to 147 categories with hardly any additional subcategories
• In every year all images of the Tweede Kamer of that year have been categorized in the top-category.
• In total I categorized an additional 4.000 images together with the 2.500 images, which makes 6.500 images in those 147 categories.
• I must say to my surprise still of the 10.000+ on the Tweede Kamer still only 6.500 or 65% seem to be in this category-tree of images around the Tweede Kamer by year.

Now my interpretation of the situation is, that you started "archiving" the images on the national political history in the Netherlands, and I continued "documenting" the national political history in the Netherlands. With my efforts early this year I started a first round of documenting, and this week I started a second round by focusing on individual debates, which has been done before by others, see here.

Now why am I telling you this whole story? I think there should be an basic understanding of the complementary archiving and documenting effort here in order for us to continue working together. So far this had been ideas which I have kept to myself, but would like to discuss more in the open. I am very interested in your opinion about these developments and wonder if you could share your interpretation about these developments? Thanks. -- Mdd (talk) 13:08, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

DenHelderyear

Since you made one of these templates and commented on my talk page before, I will ask you. Is one of these a duplicate? Template:DenHelderyear & Template:DenHelderYear I have no understanding of these templates so if something is redundant please fix it.

Also, can you fix the year sorting in this cat: Category:Den Helder by year they sort like this: 2000, 2001, 2011, 2002, 2003... This means 2011 doesn't end up in Category:Den Helder in the 2010s but in Category:Den Helder in the 2000s.

Thanks --Larshei (talk) 09:03, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert

Hi Andy,

Just wanted to say thanks for the revert the other day on the panther image. I think this is a clear indication that the wikicrowd tool needs to provide you with additional context when making a decision, not only the image itself.

The list of categories, for example, makes it clear that this is not a "house cat".

·addshore· ^{talk to me!} 08:40, 8 November 2023 (UTC)